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IDENTIFICATION OF PHOTOGRAPHS

Dear Mike,

I have only just seen some recent Journals and have the following comments to offer:

Vol 3 No 5 p162 (semi-Royal saloon). This was a Royal train to Rowsley for Chatsworth c1934. The locomotive was Patriot class No.5902.

Vol 3 No 6 p187. No.258 was a Beardmore Explain 'Wm. Beardmore & Co.' engine and carries a Beardmore plate, so I presume it was photographed at their works, not at NBL’s Explain 'North British Locomotive Company' Hyde Park Works.

John Edgington


THE USE OF RAILWAY HORSES

Dear Mike,

On p199 of the Journal you ask for information about horses in railway service. I can offer no direct LNWR information, but the following references contain much material that would have applied to Railway Horses (as opposed to other carriers’ horses).

1) ‘The Long Haul – The Life and Times of the Railway Horse’ by Bryan Holden. Hardback 176pp, J.A. Allen 1985 ISBN 0 85131 395 7. Short bibliography.

A well known book which is a good introduction to horse cartage in general. It not rare on the second-hand market. It only has one LNWR photograph (an omnibus, NRM Collection), but has two L&Y photos of loaded carts and a fair amount of pre-Nationalisation railway company material.

2) ‘The Cart Horse on the Quay – The Story of the Liverpool Cart Horses’ by Edward N. Clark. Softback 48pp, Countryside Publications 1989 ISBN 0 86157 289 0. This is about carter firms and their horses rather than railway owned services, but much was common between them. It gives good accounts of working down to the docks and between the railway yards and warehouses, especially in the 1920’s.

 

3) ‘Liverpool’s Working Horses’ by Harry Wooding. Softback, Softback 108 pages. Print Origination (NW) Ltd. 1991 ISBN 903348 23 3.

A really enjoyable book that gives an insight into the life of the men who worked with horses. There are reminiscences of working for the Corporation in the 1930’s, and for Suttons after the war. This and reference 2 highlight what a yawning gap there is between modern working life and that of forty to a hundred years ago.

Tony Gillam


GALVANISED IRON

Dear Mike,

Does anyone know when galvanised iron was first used by railway companies? More specifically, could the London & Birmingham Railway have used it?

To put it another way, what material was used to make water troughs in stables and cattle docks in 1842?

Mary Forsyth


TRAVELLING ON THE ROOFS OF CARRIAGES

Dear Mike,

I refer to Peter Ellis’ article ‘Birmingham 1837’ in Journal Vol 3 No 4, and specifically ‘seats on the roof for the accommodation of those who prefer riding outside’. I have always thought that this is a case of an author, unfamiliar with these strange trains, misinterpreting what he saw. Guard rails Explain 'Guard Rail' were provided on roofs so that luggage could be strapped down and carried in that way, but the evidence I have all points to these seats being for brakesmen Explain 'Brakesman'; after all, there was only one, at one end. Does anyone have further information please?

Mary Forsyth

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